) I really find pleasure when I can find a birth, marriage and death certificate for each generation. Then the census data pulls all the rest of the family together and you get a nice story.So the plan is to do as much leg work in the next 18 months that I can.Thanks for the suggestions.
Here is what I know about my GG Grandfather, George Hamar
REGISTRATION DISTRICT CLUN
1851 BIRTH in the Sub-District of Bishops Castle in the Counties of Salop and Montgomery
No 208
When and Where Born (1) Seventeenth September 1851 Upper Dolvawr Mainstone
Name, if any. (2) George
Sex (3) Boy
Name and Surname of Father. (4) Thomas Hamar
Name and Maiden Surname of Mother. (5) Mary Hamar formerly Davies
Rank or Profession of Father. (6) Labourer
Signature, Description, and Residence of Informant. (7) x The mark of Thomas Hamar Father Upper Dolvawr Mainstone
When Registered. (8) Twentieth September 1851
Signature of Registrat. (9) John Bowen Registrar
So that gives me his parents names:,Thomas and Mary
So it appears my GGG Grandfather is Thomas Hamar
From the 1861 Census:
First name(s) Last name Relationship Marital status Gender Age Birth year Occupation Birth place
Thomas Hamar Head Married Male 44 1817 Agricultural Labourer Clungunford, Shropshire, England
Mary Hamar Wife Married Female 35 1826 Montgomeryshire, Wales
George Hamar Son Male 10 1851 Shropshire, England
William Hamar Son Male 6 1855 Horfield, Shropshire, England
Thomas Hamar Son Male 4 1857 Montgomeryshire, Wales
Charles Hamar Son Male Montgomeryshire, Wales
So I think I have the correct George and the correct parents of Thomas and Mary.
What can I find about the birth of Thomas? It should be around 1817 based on census.
| First name(s) | Thomas |
|---|---|
| Last name | Hamar |
| Birth year | - |
| Baptism year | 1814 |
| Baptism date | 21 Aug 1814 |
| Denomination | Anglican |
| Place | Clun and Bryn |
| Father's first name(s) | John |
| Mother's first name(s) | Martha |
| Mother's last name | - |
| Residence | - |
| County | Shropshire |
| Register type | Baptism |
| Register date range | 1813-1841 |
| Archive reference | P74/A/2/1 |
| Page | 12 |
| Record set | Shropshire Baptisms |
| Category | Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) |
| Subcategory | Parish Baptisms |
| Collections from | United Kingdom, England |
So a Thomas Hamar was babtized August 21, 1814 in the Parish of Clunn in the County of Salop. (This is close to 1817, but not exact. Is this the correct connection?)
Clun (Welsh: Colunwy) is a small town in south Shropshire, England, and the Shropshire Hills.
Historically, the county has been known as Shropshire as well as by its older, Norman-derived name of Salop. So my family is still in Shropshire!
(My GGG GF) Thomas' parents were John (my GGGG GF) and Martha Hamar.
Father John was a Miller
Living in Hurst Mill (?) in Clunn
So it appears my GGGG Grandfather is John Hamar
| First name(s) | John |
|---|---|
| Last name | Hamar |
| Marriage year | 1793 |
| Marriage date | 13 Oct 1793 |
| Marriage place | Clun and Bryn |
| Denomination | Anglican |
| Residence | Clun and Bryn |
| Spouse's first name(s) | Martha |
| Spouse's last name | Whiston |
| Spouse's residence | Clun and Bryn |
| County | Shropshire |
| Register date range | 1782-1812 |
| Archive reference | P74/A/3/2 |
| Page | 29 |
| Register type | Marriage |
| Record set | Shropshire Marriages |
| Category | Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) |
| Subcategory | Parish Marriages |
| Collections from | United Kingdom, England |
So, a John Hamar married Martha Whiston 13th October 1793
Can we find a John Hamar birth or baptism record? Here is where I get stuck as I find 2 John Hamar's who fit the bill.
There is a John Hamar, babtized 23rd November 1760 (or 1758). (Child of Richard and Mary)
There is a John Hamar, babtized 24 May 1764. (Child of John and Anne)
So I am unsure if my GGGGG Grandfather is John Hamar or Richard Hamar
Here is the detail on the 2 John's. I am not sure how to proceed and would appreciate any suggestions:
|
First name(s) |
John |
|
Last name |
Hamar |
|
Birth year |
- |
|
Baptism year |
1764 |
|
Baptism date |
24 May 1764 |
|
Denomination |
Anglican |
|
Place |
Clunbury |
|
Father's first name(s) |
John |
|
Mother's first name(s) |
Anne |
|
Mother's last name |
- |
|
Residence |
- |
|
County |
Shropshire |
|
Register type |
Composite |
|
Register date range |
1730-1794 |
|
Archive reference |
P75/A/1/3 |
|
Page |
37 |
|
Record set |
Shropshire Baptisms |
|
Category |
Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) |
|
Subcategory |
Parish Baptisms |
|
Collections from |
United Kingdom, England |
|
First name(s) |
John |
|
Last name |
Hamar |
|
Birth year |
- |
|
Baptism year |
1760 |
|
Baptism date |
23 Nov 1760 |
|
Denomination |
Anglican |
|
Place |
Clunbury |
|
Father's first name(s) |
Richard |
|
Mother's first name(s) |
Mary |
|
Mother's last name |
- |
|
Residence |
- |
|
County |
Shropshire |
|
Register type |
Composite |
|
Register date range |
1730-1794 |
|
Archive reference |
P75/A/1/3 |
|
Page |
34 |
|
Record set |
Shropshire Baptisms |
|
Category |
Birth, Marriage & Death (Parish Registers) |
|
Subcategory |
Parish Baptisms |
|
Collections from |
United Kingdom, England |
|
|
|
|
|
|
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|
|
Hello Andrew
It would help us to help you if you told us where these various people were born / baptised in Shropshire remembering that Birth Certificates only started in 1837 and before that you are looking at Church Baptism records.
Dates and places of marriage and death / burial might help to sort out the correct people.
Where have you found your information up to present?
The subscription web site 'Find my Past' has images of original Shropshire Records of Baptisms, Marriages and Burials up to 1900 so these would provide you with original records to check your research. They also have the advantage that the Marriages will show signatures of your ancestors. If you use this site make sure you tick the 'Name variants' box under Last name to overcome the spelling variations problem which you have already found.
Mike